tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post1881465749560382663..comments2024-02-07T15:31:14.706+00:00Comments on Lust Bites: Is it Art?Madeline Moorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16485601071092171174noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-60150655233210863422007-03-18T08:50:00.000+00:002007-03-18T08:50:00.000+00:00I've had this argument thrown at me many times. S...I've had this argument thrown at me many times. Specially on places like The Erotica Readers & Writers Association where some (not all, by any means) writers and readers consider that erotic writing is only for making money and that Literature is High and Worthy and in another sphere completely.<BR/><BR/>I can't agree. What about Henry Miller? Nabokov? Sarah Waters? To name just a few.<BR/><BR/Erasteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02203293017233301227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-81395102756649061602007-03-13T12:58:00.000+00:002007-03-13T12:58:00.000+00:00I am a firm believer that the only thing that dete...I am a firm believer that the only thing that determines if something is Art is time. If 20 years later we're still discussing and sharing a porn book, a horror novel or a mystery, than that's Art with a capitol A.<BR/><BR/>My other firm belief is that porn written from the libido does make the world a better place. Too many young and not so young people question their sexual desires till they Shon Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575804400275943927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-3723608907417983252007-03-11T18:14:00.000+00:002007-03-11T18:14:00.000+00:00I only get people saying that in chat rooms. :PI only get people saying that in chat rooms. :PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-43294330979195702562007-03-11T12:24:00.000+00:002007-03-11T12:24:00.000+00:00I also read science fiction and fantasy, and more ...I also read science fiction and fantasy, and more relevantly SFX magazine.<BR/><BR/>Why relevantly? Well, this month's edition showed up yesterday with a bookmark that is advertising a book called "The Somnambulist" with the advertising tagline "Be Warned. This book has no literary merit whatsoever"<BR/><BR/>Not saying it's fair, but in light of the discussions here it tickled my sense of irony Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-35662978030127467522007-03-09T23:26:00.000+00:002007-03-09T23:26:00.000+00:00I like being at parties and having someone say: 'O...<I>I like being at parties and having someone say: 'Oh my god, I've just realised who you are. You make my labia swell.'</I><BR/><BR/>I think I'm pretty safe in saying that nobody's ever said that to me at a party. (At the post office, the supermarket or the bank, sure--but never at a party.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-21465656102599128032007-03-09T22:14:00.000+00:002007-03-09T22:14:00.000+00:00Right on Kate! And thanks for the kudos re: the p...Right on Kate! And thanks for the kudos re: the post. I had to trim it way down,but that's okay because coming soon, and not penned by me, will be - Erotica vs Porn - so we can get all fired up once again. Like we're not all fired up most of the time, anyway, but you know what I mean.Madeline Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485601071092171174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-35201722657393271082007-03-09T18:13:00.001+00:002007-03-09T18:13:00.001+00:00Forgot to say-great first post Madeline!Forgot to say-great first post Madeline!Kate Pearcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079485861541059016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-64031260572991539432007-03-09T18:13:00.000+00:002007-03-09T18:13:00.000+00:00Why is it wrong to sell books and make money out o...Why is it wrong to sell books and make money out of your art? I've never understood that. I write what I like to read and I also happen to make some money out of it, thank you very much. So I'm not going to apologize to anyone who thinks I'm a hack or a sellout or an inferior writer just because I'm relatively successful.<BR/><BR/>(Kate lets out her breath and steps down off her soap box)<BR/><BRKate Pearcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079485861541059016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-69741544570861309762007-03-09T16:22:00.000+00:002007-03-09T16:22:00.000+00:00Oooo, Mathilde, that would be good enough for me, ...Oooo, Mathilde, that would be good enough for me, too. WC is my first book, and I gave copies to my sister ('I kept wondering how you KNOW all that stuff') a friend ('really fucking sexy') my shrink (!) ('your editor was right, it is a blizzard of sex') and the artistic-pretension friend I talk about in the blog. In retrospect, I suppose I could have been more selective, but I was celebrating Madeline Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485601071092171174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-87368459348125365252007-03-09T14:37:00.000+00:002007-03-09T14:37:00.000+00:00I don't really care about questions of artistic or...I don't really care about questions of artistic or literary merit. I just like it when people like my stuff.<BR/><BR/>I like being at parties and having someone say: 'Oh my god, I've just realised who you are. You make my labia swell.' I like it when people say they look forward to me posting 'Coming Attractions' on a Sunday. I like it when people email me after they've read my books and tell me Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-26916202235875110272007-03-09T14:14:00.000+00:002007-03-09T14:14:00.000+00:00There was an article recently about being a popula...There was an article recently about being a popular writer and being a artistic writer. In that case, it was removing references to native Americans of various types in the story to make it more manageable to the general public. In that blog, which I can't remember where I read it or who wrote it of course, they said most writers come down to a decision: do you write for art or for money?<BR/><BRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-12662362937953800592007-03-09T13:07:00.000+00:002007-03-09T13:07:00.000+00:00And thank you for your compliments on the post, pe...And thank you for your compliments on the post, people. I bit off a big topic and I know I left a lot out, etc. but I'm happy with it, and happy to be *almost* through my initiation. I wonder what that secret rite might be...I'm sure whatever I can dream up will pale compared to the reality.Madeline Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485601071092171174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-18776873925892235312007-03-09T13:04:00.000+00:002007-03-09T13:04:00.000+00:00Well, bestiality as in 'no sex with animals.' If ...Well, bestiality as in 'no sex with animals.' If you're thinking of your werefolk, MM, that's a different thing entirely - or if not entirely, then enough to opt them out of the no animals rule.<BR/>Olivia! Good stuff! There's tonnes to be written on the topic, of course, but only so much that can go into the post itself. A lot of people don't know that the Sistine Chapel was painted by an Madeline Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16485601071092171174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-22087564974781724882007-03-09T13:00:00.000+00:002007-03-09T13:00:00.000+00:00You weren't told that in advance Mathilde?Hah.Appa...You weren't told that in advance Mathilde?<BR/>Hah.<BR/><BR/>Apparantly Lycanthropy Is In but Bestiality Is Forbidden (and may not even be hinted at). Talk about walking a razor's edge.Janine Ashblesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840188081214225153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-47869256936501092402007-03-09T12:28:00.000+00:002007-03-09T12:28:00.000+00:00No bestiality?Um...No bestiality?<BR/><BR/>Um...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-74051105369586077122007-03-09T12:24:00.000+00:002007-03-09T12:24:00.000+00:00My usual insanely megolamaniac ego comes to my res...My usual insanely megolamaniac ego comes to my rescue once again with this. Brought to you by the woman who posted "I am beautiful", this dramatically charged and egocentrically motivated post brings you the fresh arrogant phrase: "I'm a great writer. So whatever I write is art. 'Nuff said." (The fact that I actually believe this in the core of my soul might be scary to other people, but is a Megan Kerrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03702395970450200829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-18794890691776103932007-03-09T10:43:00.000+00:002007-03-09T10:43:00.000+00:00I happen to write for the horror genre as well as ...I happen to write for the horror genre as well as the smut, so I'm used to being despised from two completely different angles!<BR/><BR/>Jesus, I loathe and detest the Rules. Why can't we just write what we want to say? Why is "what women want" dictated by marketing men and uber-reviewers instead of by readers and writers?<BR/><BR/>Nobody "wanted" school stories about a boy wizard until by freak Janine Ashblesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00840188081214225153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-41059635216892540922007-03-09T09:52:00.000+00:002007-03-09T09:52:00.000+00:00I'm not sure I agree with your definition of art a...I'm not sure I agree with your definition of art as something that evokes feeling - there is too much so called art (statues of David, Constable's paintings etc.) that just fail to do that in me. I don't have a better definition sitting around I'm around I'm afraid.<BR/><BR/>BUT, working within your definition, can good erotica be anything other than art? Can you write good sexy material that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-73651414072246514702007-03-09T09:27:00.000+00:002007-03-09T09:27:00.000+00:00I second that, Keziah. Great post, Madeline! Consi...I second that, Keziah. <BR/><BR/>Great post, Madeline! Consider your lustbites initiation nearly complete. (There's just the ritual to go now. You know, the one we can't tell you about beforehand...)<BR/><BR/>As for if its art or not - well good christ on a bike. It's <I>my</I> art, and that's good enough for me.<BR/><BR/>'Only connect!...Only connect the prose and the passion.'<BR/><BR/><I>EM Nikki Magennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07085757122187578766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-74274946102461667312007-03-08T23:51:00.000+00:002007-03-08T23:51:00.000+00:00My friend said she wants her work to 'leave the wo...<I>My friend said she wants her work to 'leave the world a better place,'</I><BR/>Oh yawn! What about making the world a more interesting place, a more lust filled, pleasure loving, peace craving, to-busy-fucking-to-make-war place! Happy IWD!Keziah Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10594349337977659150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2685152641201332954.post-5123827137882583132007-03-08T22:49:00.000+00:002007-03-08T22:49:00.000+00:00Hurray! Great first post Madeline, and welcome to ...Hurray! Great first post Madeline, and welcome to the Lust Biters!<BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to the discussion on this one, but can't partake at the moment, because I'm off to do a radio program about writing for International Women's Day (where I have a funny feeling we'll be tackling some of these same issues).<BR/><BR/>Oh, but first, I have to say, I saw Stephen King speak recently on this Shanna Germainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09277611199517242974noreply@blogger.com